diff --git a/coreutils.changes b/coreutils.changes
index 6217bf9..5832a27 100644
--- a/coreutils.changes
+++ b/coreutils.changes
@@ -1,3 +1,9 @@
+-------------------------------------------------------------------
+Wed Nov 17 08:33:10 UTC 2010 - coolo@novell.com
+
+- remove the prerequire on permissions - this will create a bad
+  cycle, coreutils is just too core
+
 -------------------------------------------------------------------
 Tue Nov 16 10:50:04 UTC 2010 - lnussel@suse.de
 
diff --git a/coreutils.spec b/coreutils.spec
index a4ff8d9..8a7697c 100644
--- a/coreutils.spec
+++ b/coreutils.spec
@@ -55,7 +55,9 @@ Patch30:        coreutils-8.6-compile-su-with-fpie.diff
 Patch31:        coreutils-getaddrinfo.patch
 Patch32:        coreutils-ptr_int_casts.patch
 BuildRoot:      %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-build
-PreReq:         permissions
+# this will create a cycle, broken up randomly - coreutils is just too core to have other
+# prerequires
+#PreReq:         permissions
 
 %description
 Basic file, shell, and text manipulation utilities.  The package
@@ -70,44 +72,6 @@ sha224sum sha256sum sha384sum sha512sum shred shuf sleep sort split
 stat stty su sum sync tac tail tee test timeout touch tr true tsort tty
 uname unexpand uniq unlink uptime users vdir wc who whoami yes
 
-
-
-Authors:
---------
-    Arnold Robbins <arnold@audiofax.com>
-    Colin Plumb <colin@nyx.net>
-    David M. Ihnat
-    David MacKenzie <djm@gnu.org>
-    François Pinard <pinard@iro.umontreal.ca>
-    H. Peter Anvin <hpa@transmeta.com>
-    Ian Lance Taylor <ian@airs.com>
-    Jay Lepreau <lepreau@cs.utah.edu>
-    Jim Kingdon
-    Jim Meyering <jim@meyering.net>
-    Joseph Arceneaux
-    Kaveh Ghazi
-    Kayvan Aghaiepour
-    Larry McVoy <lm@sgi.com>
-    Mark Kettenis <kettenis@phys.uva.nl>
-    Michael Meskes
-    Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org>
-    Mike Haertel
-    Mike Parker
-    Paul Eggert <eggert@twinsun.com>
-    Paul Rubin <phr@ocf.berkeley.edu>
-    Pete TerMaat
-    Randy Smith
-    Richard M. Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
-    Richard Mlynarik
-    Roland Huebner <ro-huebner@gmx.de>
-    Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>
-    Ross Paterson <rap@doc.ic.ac.uk>
-    Scott Bartram
-    Scott Miller
-    Stuart Kemp <skemp@peter.bmc.com>
-    Torbjorn Granlund <tege@nada.kth.se>
-    Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>
-
 %lang_package
 %prep
 %setup -q
@@ -174,6 +138,7 @@ echo '.so man1/test.1' > %{buildroot}/%{_mandir}/man1/\[.1
 
 %post
 %install_info --info-dir=%{_infodir} %{_infodir}/coreutils.info.gz
+# may fail if permissions is not there, but there is no way around that
 %run_permissions
 
 %postun