diff --git a/binutils.changes b/binutils.changes
index 7753331..6cd3e3c 100644
--- a/binutils.changes
+++ b/binutils.changes
@@ -1,3 +1,9 @@
+-------------------------------------------------------------------
+Fri Feb 21 16:59:02 UTC 2014 - matz@suse.de
+
+- Disable --enable-deterministic-archives again, as it breaks 
+  valid Makefiles.
+
 -------------------------------------------------------------------
 Mon Feb 10 23:07:23 UTC 2014 - subchaser1@gmail.com
 
diff --git a/binutils.spec b/binutils.spec
index 8e6af48..24e7dd1 100644
--- a/binutils.spec
+++ b/binutils.spec
@@ -214,13 +214,20 @@ EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,arm-suse-linux-gnueabi"
 EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,aarch64-suse-linux"
 %endif
 %endif
+# Normally we'd like to add --enable-deterministic-archives
+# here (which by default makes uid/mtime be zero for archive
+# members), to increase chances of getting a reproducable build
+# But this breaks Makefile rules when directly accessing archives:
+# rebuilding the same archive from unchanged .o files recreates
+# it, because timestamps in the .a are 0, unequal to the actual timestamp
+# of the .o files :-/
 %define common_flags CFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" CXXFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" \\\
 	--prefix=%{_prefix} --libdir=%{_libdir} \\\
 	--infodir=%{_infodir} --mandir=%{_mandir} \\\
 	--with-bugurl=http://bugs.opensuse.org/ \\\
 	--with-pkgversion="GNU Binutils; %{DIST}" \\\
 	--with-separate-debug-dir=%{_prefix}/lib/debug \\\
-	--with-pic --build=%{HOST} --enable-deterministic-archives
+	--with-pic --build=%{HOST}
 mkdir build-dir
 cd build-dir
 ../configure %common_flags \
diff --git a/cross-aarch64-binutils.changes b/cross-aarch64-binutils.changes
index 7753331..6cd3e3c 100644
--- a/cross-aarch64-binutils.changes
+++ b/cross-aarch64-binutils.changes
@@ -1,3 +1,9 @@
+-------------------------------------------------------------------
+Fri Feb 21 16:59:02 UTC 2014 - matz@suse.de
+
+- Disable --enable-deterministic-archives again, as it breaks 
+  valid Makefiles.
+
 -------------------------------------------------------------------
 Mon Feb 10 23:07:23 UTC 2014 - subchaser1@gmail.com
 
diff --git a/cross-aarch64-binutils.spec b/cross-aarch64-binutils.spec
index 23acf6a..4a8f0c0 100644
--- a/cross-aarch64-binutils.spec
+++ b/cross-aarch64-binutils.spec
@@ -217,13 +217,20 @@ EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,arm-suse-linux-gnueabi"
 EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,aarch64-suse-linux"
 %endif
 %endif
+# Normally we'd like to add --enable-deterministic-archives
+# here (which by default makes uid/mtime be zero for archive
+# members), to increase chances of getting a reproducable build
+# But this breaks Makefile rules when directly accessing archives:
+# rebuilding the same archive from unchanged .o files recreates
+# it, because timestamps in the .a are 0, unequal to the actual timestamp
+# of the .o files :-/
 %define common_flags CFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" CXXFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" \\\
 	--prefix=%{_prefix} --libdir=%{_libdir} \\\
 	--infodir=%{_infodir} --mandir=%{_mandir} \\\
 	--with-bugurl=http://bugs.opensuse.org/ \\\
 	--with-pkgversion="GNU Binutils; %{DIST}" \\\
 	--with-separate-debug-dir=%{_prefix}/lib/debug \\\
-	--with-pic --build=%{HOST} --enable-deterministic-archives
+	--with-pic --build=%{HOST}
 mkdir build-dir
 cd build-dir
 ../configure %common_flags \
diff --git a/cross-arm-binutils.changes b/cross-arm-binutils.changes
index 7753331..6cd3e3c 100644
--- a/cross-arm-binutils.changes
+++ b/cross-arm-binutils.changes
@@ -1,3 +1,9 @@
+-------------------------------------------------------------------
+Fri Feb 21 16:59:02 UTC 2014 - matz@suse.de
+
+- Disable --enable-deterministic-archives again, as it breaks 
+  valid Makefiles.
+
 -------------------------------------------------------------------
 Mon Feb 10 23:07:23 UTC 2014 - subchaser1@gmail.com
 
diff --git a/cross-arm-binutils.spec b/cross-arm-binutils.spec
index 7682c77..268d81e 100644
--- a/cross-arm-binutils.spec
+++ b/cross-arm-binutils.spec
@@ -217,13 +217,20 @@ EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,arm-suse-linux-gnueabi"
 EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,aarch64-suse-linux"
 %endif
 %endif
+# Normally we'd like to add --enable-deterministic-archives
+# here (which by default makes uid/mtime be zero for archive
+# members), to increase chances of getting a reproducable build
+# But this breaks Makefile rules when directly accessing archives:
+# rebuilding the same archive from unchanged .o files recreates
+# it, because timestamps in the .a are 0, unequal to the actual timestamp
+# of the .o files :-/
 %define common_flags CFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" CXXFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" \\\
 	--prefix=%{_prefix} --libdir=%{_libdir} \\\
 	--infodir=%{_infodir} --mandir=%{_mandir} \\\
 	--with-bugurl=http://bugs.opensuse.org/ \\\
 	--with-pkgversion="GNU Binutils; %{DIST}" \\\
 	--with-separate-debug-dir=%{_prefix}/lib/debug \\\
-	--with-pic --build=%{HOST} --enable-deterministic-archives
+	--with-pic --build=%{HOST}
 mkdir build-dir
 cd build-dir
 ../configure %common_flags \
diff --git a/cross-avr-binutils.changes b/cross-avr-binutils.changes
index 7753331..6cd3e3c 100644
--- a/cross-avr-binutils.changes
+++ b/cross-avr-binutils.changes
@@ -1,3 +1,9 @@
+-------------------------------------------------------------------
+Fri Feb 21 16:59:02 UTC 2014 - matz@suse.de
+
+- Disable --enable-deterministic-archives again, as it breaks 
+  valid Makefiles.
+
 -------------------------------------------------------------------
 Mon Feb 10 23:07:23 UTC 2014 - subchaser1@gmail.com
 
diff --git a/cross-avr-binutils.spec b/cross-avr-binutils.spec
index 80c4005..3abf3b8 100644
--- a/cross-avr-binutils.spec
+++ b/cross-avr-binutils.spec
@@ -217,13 +217,20 @@ EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,arm-suse-linux-gnueabi"
 EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,aarch64-suse-linux"
 %endif
 %endif
+# Normally we'd like to add --enable-deterministic-archives
+# here (which by default makes uid/mtime be zero for archive
+# members), to increase chances of getting a reproducable build
+# But this breaks Makefile rules when directly accessing archives:
+# rebuilding the same archive from unchanged .o files recreates
+# it, because timestamps in the .a are 0, unequal to the actual timestamp
+# of the .o files :-/
 %define common_flags CFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" CXXFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" \\\
 	--prefix=%{_prefix} --libdir=%{_libdir} \\\
 	--infodir=%{_infodir} --mandir=%{_mandir} \\\
 	--with-bugurl=http://bugs.opensuse.org/ \\\
 	--with-pkgversion="GNU Binutils; %{DIST}" \\\
 	--with-separate-debug-dir=%{_prefix}/lib/debug \\\
-	--with-pic --build=%{HOST} --enable-deterministic-archives
+	--with-pic --build=%{HOST}
 mkdir build-dir
 cd build-dir
 ../configure %common_flags \
diff --git a/cross-hppa-binutils.changes b/cross-hppa-binutils.changes
index 7753331..6cd3e3c 100644
--- a/cross-hppa-binutils.changes
+++ b/cross-hppa-binutils.changes
@@ -1,3 +1,9 @@
+-------------------------------------------------------------------
+Fri Feb 21 16:59:02 UTC 2014 - matz@suse.de
+
+- Disable --enable-deterministic-archives again, as it breaks 
+  valid Makefiles.
+
 -------------------------------------------------------------------
 Mon Feb 10 23:07:23 UTC 2014 - subchaser1@gmail.com
 
diff --git a/cross-hppa-binutils.spec b/cross-hppa-binutils.spec
index 5f086db..e04458e 100644
--- a/cross-hppa-binutils.spec
+++ b/cross-hppa-binutils.spec
@@ -217,13 +217,20 @@ EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,arm-suse-linux-gnueabi"
 EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,aarch64-suse-linux"
 %endif
 %endif
+# Normally we'd like to add --enable-deterministic-archives
+# here (which by default makes uid/mtime be zero for archive
+# members), to increase chances of getting a reproducable build
+# But this breaks Makefile rules when directly accessing archives:
+# rebuilding the same archive from unchanged .o files recreates
+# it, because timestamps in the .a are 0, unequal to the actual timestamp
+# of the .o files :-/
 %define common_flags CFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" CXXFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" \\\
 	--prefix=%{_prefix} --libdir=%{_libdir} \\\
 	--infodir=%{_infodir} --mandir=%{_mandir} \\\
 	--with-bugurl=http://bugs.opensuse.org/ \\\
 	--with-pkgversion="GNU Binutils; %{DIST}" \\\
 	--with-separate-debug-dir=%{_prefix}/lib/debug \\\
-	--with-pic --build=%{HOST} --enable-deterministic-archives
+	--with-pic --build=%{HOST}
 mkdir build-dir
 cd build-dir
 ../configure %common_flags \
diff --git a/cross-hppa64-binutils.changes b/cross-hppa64-binutils.changes
index 7753331..6cd3e3c 100644
--- a/cross-hppa64-binutils.changes
+++ b/cross-hppa64-binutils.changes
@@ -1,3 +1,9 @@
+-------------------------------------------------------------------
+Fri Feb 21 16:59:02 UTC 2014 - matz@suse.de
+
+- Disable --enable-deterministic-archives again, as it breaks 
+  valid Makefiles.
+
 -------------------------------------------------------------------
 Mon Feb 10 23:07:23 UTC 2014 - subchaser1@gmail.com
 
diff --git a/cross-hppa64-binutils.spec b/cross-hppa64-binutils.spec
index 0c4110c..2412bc7 100644
--- a/cross-hppa64-binutils.spec
+++ b/cross-hppa64-binutils.spec
@@ -217,13 +217,20 @@ EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,arm-suse-linux-gnueabi"
 EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,aarch64-suse-linux"
 %endif
 %endif
+# Normally we'd like to add --enable-deterministic-archives
+# here (which by default makes uid/mtime be zero for archive
+# members), to increase chances of getting a reproducable build
+# But this breaks Makefile rules when directly accessing archives:
+# rebuilding the same archive from unchanged .o files recreates
+# it, because timestamps in the .a are 0, unequal to the actual timestamp
+# of the .o files :-/
 %define common_flags CFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" CXXFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" \\\
 	--prefix=%{_prefix} --libdir=%{_libdir} \\\
 	--infodir=%{_infodir} --mandir=%{_mandir} \\\
 	--with-bugurl=http://bugs.opensuse.org/ \\\
 	--with-pkgversion="GNU Binutils; %{DIST}" \\\
 	--with-separate-debug-dir=%{_prefix}/lib/debug \\\
-	--with-pic --build=%{HOST} --enable-deterministic-archives
+	--with-pic --build=%{HOST}
 mkdir build-dir
 cd build-dir
 ../configure %common_flags \
diff --git a/cross-i386-binutils.changes b/cross-i386-binutils.changes
index 7753331..6cd3e3c 100644
--- a/cross-i386-binutils.changes
+++ b/cross-i386-binutils.changes
@@ -1,3 +1,9 @@
+-------------------------------------------------------------------
+Fri Feb 21 16:59:02 UTC 2014 - matz@suse.de
+
+- Disable --enable-deterministic-archives again, as it breaks 
+  valid Makefiles.
+
 -------------------------------------------------------------------
 Mon Feb 10 23:07:23 UTC 2014 - subchaser1@gmail.com
 
diff --git a/cross-i386-binutils.spec b/cross-i386-binutils.spec
index d3298a0..ec07b3b 100644
--- a/cross-i386-binutils.spec
+++ b/cross-i386-binutils.spec
@@ -217,13 +217,20 @@ EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,arm-suse-linux-gnueabi"
 EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,aarch64-suse-linux"
 %endif
 %endif
+# Normally we'd like to add --enable-deterministic-archives
+# here (which by default makes uid/mtime be zero for archive
+# members), to increase chances of getting a reproducable build
+# But this breaks Makefile rules when directly accessing archives:
+# rebuilding the same archive from unchanged .o files recreates
+# it, because timestamps in the .a are 0, unequal to the actual timestamp
+# of the .o files :-/
 %define common_flags CFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" CXXFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" \\\
 	--prefix=%{_prefix} --libdir=%{_libdir} \\\
 	--infodir=%{_infodir} --mandir=%{_mandir} \\\
 	--with-bugurl=http://bugs.opensuse.org/ \\\
 	--with-pkgversion="GNU Binutils; %{DIST}" \\\
 	--with-separate-debug-dir=%{_prefix}/lib/debug \\\
-	--with-pic --build=%{HOST} --enable-deterministic-archives
+	--with-pic --build=%{HOST}
 mkdir build-dir
 cd build-dir
 ../configure %common_flags \
diff --git a/cross-ia64-binutils.changes b/cross-ia64-binutils.changes
index 7753331..6cd3e3c 100644
--- a/cross-ia64-binutils.changes
+++ b/cross-ia64-binutils.changes
@@ -1,3 +1,9 @@
+-------------------------------------------------------------------
+Fri Feb 21 16:59:02 UTC 2014 - matz@suse.de
+
+- Disable --enable-deterministic-archives again, as it breaks 
+  valid Makefiles.
+
 -------------------------------------------------------------------
 Mon Feb 10 23:07:23 UTC 2014 - subchaser1@gmail.com
 
diff --git a/cross-ia64-binutils.spec b/cross-ia64-binutils.spec
index 6d73467..75d88dd 100644
--- a/cross-ia64-binutils.spec
+++ b/cross-ia64-binutils.spec
@@ -217,13 +217,20 @@ EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,arm-suse-linux-gnueabi"
 EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,aarch64-suse-linux"
 %endif
 %endif
+# Normally we'd like to add --enable-deterministic-archives
+# here (which by default makes uid/mtime be zero for archive
+# members), to increase chances of getting a reproducable build
+# But this breaks Makefile rules when directly accessing archives:
+# rebuilding the same archive from unchanged .o files recreates
+# it, because timestamps in the .a are 0, unequal to the actual timestamp
+# of the .o files :-/
 %define common_flags CFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" CXXFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" \\\
 	--prefix=%{_prefix} --libdir=%{_libdir} \\\
 	--infodir=%{_infodir} --mandir=%{_mandir} \\\
 	--with-bugurl=http://bugs.opensuse.org/ \\\
 	--with-pkgversion="GNU Binutils; %{DIST}" \\\
 	--with-separate-debug-dir=%{_prefix}/lib/debug \\\
-	--with-pic --build=%{HOST} --enable-deterministic-archives
+	--with-pic --build=%{HOST}
 mkdir build-dir
 cd build-dir
 ../configure %common_flags \
diff --git a/cross-m68k-binutils.changes b/cross-m68k-binutils.changes
index 7753331..6cd3e3c 100644
--- a/cross-m68k-binutils.changes
+++ b/cross-m68k-binutils.changes
@@ -1,3 +1,9 @@
+-------------------------------------------------------------------
+Fri Feb 21 16:59:02 UTC 2014 - matz@suse.de
+
+- Disable --enable-deterministic-archives again, as it breaks 
+  valid Makefiles.
+
 -------------------------------------------------------------------
 Mon Feb 10 23:07:23 UTC 2014 - subchaser1@gmail.com
 
diff --git a/cross-m68k-binutils.spec b/cross-m68k-binutils.spec
index 74bb9ca..0a6319d 100644
--- a/cross-m68k-binutils.spec
+++ b/cross-m68k-binutils.spec
@@ -217,13 +217,20 @@ EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,arm-suse-linux-gnueabi"
 EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,aarch64-suse-linux"
 %endif
 %endif
+# Normally we'd like to add --enable-deterministic-archives
+# here (which by default makes uid/mtime be zero for archive
+# members), to increase chances of getting a reproducable build
+# But this breaks Makefile rules when directly accessing archives:
+# rebuilding the same archive from unchanged .o files recreates
+# it, because timestamps in the .a are 0, unequal to the actual timestamp
+# of the .o files :-/
 %define common_flags CFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" CXXFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" \\\
 	--prefix=%{_prefix} --libdir=%{_libdir} \\\
 	--infodir=%{_infodir} --mandir=%{_mandir} \\\
 	--with-bugurl=http://bugs.opensuse.org/ \\\
 	--with-pkgversion="GNU Binutils; %{DIST}" \\\
 	--with-separate-debug-dir=%{_prefix}/lib/debug \\\
-	--with-pic --build=%{HOST} --enable-deterministic-archives
+	--with-pic --build=%{HOST}
 mkdir build-dir
 cd build-dir
 ../configure %common_flags \
diff --git a/cross-mips-binutils.changes b/cross-mips-binutils.changes
index 7753331..6cd3e3c 100644
--- a/cross-mips-binutils.changes
+++ b/cross-mips-binutils.changes
@@ -1,3 +1,9 @@
+-------------------------------------------------------------------
+Fri Feb 21 16:59:02 UTC 2014 - matz@suse.de
+
+- Disable --enable-deterministic-archives again, as it breaks 
+  valid Makefiles.
+
 -------------------------------------------------------------------
 Mon Feb 10 23:07:23 UTC 2014 - subchaser1@gmail.com
 
diff --git a/cross-mips-binutils.spec b/cross-mips-binutils.spec
index 1e6d309..525e8dc 100644
--- a/cross-mips-binutils.spec
+++ b/cross-mips-binutils.spec
@@ -217,13 +217,20 @@ EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,arm-suse-linux-gnueabi"
 EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,aarch64-suse-linux"
 %endif
 %endif
+# Normally we'd like to add --enable-deterministic-archives
+# here (which by default makes uid/mtime be zero for archive
+# members), to increase chances of getting a reproducable build
+# But this breaks Makefile rules when directly accessing archives:
+# rebuilding the same archive from unchanged .o files recreates
+# it, because timestamps in the .a are 0, unequal to the actual timestamp
+# of the .o files :-/
 %define common_flags CFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" CXXFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" \\\
 	--prefix=%{_prefix} --libdir=%{_libdir} \\\
 	--infodir=%{_infodir} --mandir=%{_mandir} \\\
 	--with-bugurl=http://bugs.opensuse.org/ \\\
 	--with-pkgversion="GNU Binutils; %{DIST}" \\\
 	--with-separate-debug-dir=%{_prefix}/lib/debug \\\
-	--with-pic --build=%{HOST} --enable-deterministic-archives
+	--with-pic --build=%{HOST}
 mkdir build-dir
 cd build-dir
 ../configure %common_flags \
diff --git a/cross-ppc-binutils.changes b/cross-ppc-binutils.changes
index 7753331..6cd3e3c 100644
--- a/cross-ppc-binutils.changes
+++ b/cross-ppc-binutils.changes
@@ -1,3 +1,9 @@
+-------------------------------------------------------------------
+Fri Feb 21 16:59:02 UTC 2014 - matz@suse.de
+
+- Disable --enable-deterministic-archives again, as it breaks 
+  valid Makefiles.
+
 -------------------------------------------------------------------
 Mon Feb 10 23:07:23 UTC 2014 - subchaser1@gmail.com
 
diff --git a/cross-ppc-binutils.spec b/cross-ppc-binutils.spec
index bfcdf3b..e32e4be 100644
--- a/cross-ppc-binutils.spec
+++ b/cross-ppc-binutils.spec
@@ -217,13 +217,20 @@ EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,arm-suse-linux-gnueabi"
 EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,aarch64-suse-linux"
 %endif
 %endif
+# Normally we'd like to add --enable-deterministic-archives
+# here (which by default makes uid/mtime be zero for archive
+# members), to increase chances of getting a reproducable build
+# But this breaks Makefile rules when directly accessing archives:
+# rebuilding the same archive from unchanged .o files recreates
+# it, because timestamps in the .a are 0, unequal to the actual timestamp
+# of the .o files :-/
 %define common_flags CFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" CXXFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" \\\
 	--prefix=%{_prefix} --libdir=%{_libdir} \\\
 	--infodir=%{_infodir} --mandir=%{_mandir} \\\
 	--with-bugurl=http://bugs.opensuse.org/ \\\
 	--with-pkgversion="GNU Binutils; %{DIST}" \\\
 	--with-separate-debug-dir=%{_prefix}/lib/debug \\\
-	--with-pic --build=%{HOST} --enable-deterministic-archives
+	--with-pic --build=%{HOST}
 mkdir build-dir
 cd build-dir
 ../configure %common_flags \
diff --git a/cross-ppc64-binutils.changes b/cross-ppc64-binutils.changes
index 7753331..6cd3e3c 100644
--- a/cross-ppc64-binutils.changes
+++ b/cross-ppc64-binutils.changes
@@ -1,3 +1,9 @@
+-------------------------------------------------------------------
+Fri Feb 21 16:59:02 UTC 2014 - matz@suse.de
+
+- Disable --enable-deterministic-archives again, as it breaks 
+  valid Makefiles.
+
 -------------------------------------------------------------------
 Mon Feb 10 23:07:23 UTC 2014 - subchaser1@gmail.com
 
diff --git a/cross-ppc64-binutils.spec b/cross-ppc64-binutils.spec
index 5e2c9fd..0fe577c 100644
--- a/cross-ppc64-binutils.spec
+++ b/cross-ppc64-binutils.spec
@@ -217,13 +217,20 @@ EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,arm-suse-linux-gnueabi"
 EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,aarch64-suse-linux"
 %endif
 %endif
+# Normally we'd like to add --enable-deterministic-archives
+# here (which by default makes uid/mtime be zero for archive
+# members), to increase chances of getting a reproducable build
+# But this breaks Makefile rules when directly accessing archives:
+# rebuilding the same archive from unchanged .o files recreates
+# it, because timestamps in the .a are 0, unequal to the actual timestamp
+# of the .o files :-/
 %define common_flags CFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" CXXFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" \\\
 	--prefix=%{_prefix} --libdir=%{_libdir} \\\
 	--infodir=%{_infodir} --mandir=%{_mandir} \\\
 	--with-bugurl=http://bugs.opensuse.org/ \\\
 	--with-pkgversion="GNU Binutils; %{DIST}" \\\
 	--with-separate-debug-dir=%{_prefix}/lib/debug \\\
-	--with-pic --build=%{HOST} --enable-deterministic-archives
+	--with-pic --build=%{HOST}
 mkdir build-dir
 cd build-dir
 ../configure %common_flags \
diff --git a/cross-ppc64le-binutils.changes b/cross-ppc64le-binutils.changes
index 7753331..6cd3e3c 100644
--- a/cross-ppc64le-binutils.changes
+++ b/cross-ppc64le-binutils.changes
@@ -1,3 +1,9 @@
+-------------------------------------------------------------------
+Fri Feb 21 16:59:02 UTC 2014 - matz@suse.de
+
+- Disable --enable-deterministic-archives again, as it breaks 
+  valid Makefiles.
+
 -------------------------------------------------------------------
 Mon Feb 10 23:07:23 UTC 2014 - subchaser1@gmail.com
 
diff --git a/cross-ppc64le-binutils.spec b/cross-ppc64le-binutils.spec
index 21685a5..b2f824c 100644
--- a/cross-ppc64le-binutils.spec
+++ b/cross-ppc64le-binutils.spec
@@ -217,13 +217,20 @@ EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,arm-suse-linux-gnueabi"
 EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,aarch64-suse-linux"
 %endif
 %endif
+# Normally we'd like to add --enable-deterministic-archives
+# here (which by default makes uid/mtime be zero for archive
+# members), to increase chances of getting a reproducable build
+# But this breaks Makefile rules when directly accessing archives:
+# rebuilding the same archive from unchanged .o files recreates
+# it, because timestamps in the .a are 0, unequal to the actual timestamp
+# of the .o files :-/
 %define common_flags CFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" CXXFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" \\\
 	--prefix=%{_prefix} --libdir=%{_libdir} \\\
 	--infodir=%{_infodir} --mandir=%{_mandir} \\\
 	--with-bugurl=http://bugs.opensuse.org/ \\\
 	--with-pkgversion="GNU Binutils; %{DIST}" \\\
 	--with-separate-debug-dir=%{_prefix}/lib/debug \\\
-	--with-pic --build=%{HOST} --enable-deterministic-archives
+	--with-pic --build=%{HOST}
 mkdir build-dir
 cd build-dir
 ../configure %common_flags \
diff --git a/cross-s390-binutils.changes b/cross-s390-binutils.changes
index 7753331..6cd3e3c 100644
--- a/cross-s390-binutils.changes
+++ b/cross-s390-binutils.changes
@@ -1,3 +1,9 @@
+-------------------------------------------------------------------
+Fri Feb 21 16:59:02 UTC 2014 - matz@suse.de
+
+- Disable --enable-deterministic-archives again, as it breaks 
+  valid Makefiles.
+
 -------------------------------------------------------------------
 Mon Feb 10 23:07:23 UTC 2014 - subchaser1@gmail.com
 
diff --git a/cross-s390-binutils.spec b/cross-s390-binutils.spec
index cb99638..89393ac 100644
--- a/cross-s390-binutils.spec
+++ b/cross-s390-binutils.spec
@@ -217,13 +217,20 @@ EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,arm-suse-linux-gnueabi"
 EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,aarch64-suse-linux"
 %endif
 %endif
+# Normally we'd like to add --enable-deterministic-archives
+# here (which by default makes uid/mtime be zero for archive
+# members), to increase chances of getting a reproducable build
+# But this breaks Makefile rules when directly accessing archives:
+# rebuilding the same archive from unchanged .o files recreates
+# it, because timestamps in the .a are 0, unequal to the actual timestamp
+# of the .o files :-/
 %define common_flags CFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" CXXFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" \\\
 	--prefix=%{_prefix} --libdir=%{_libdir} \\\
 	--infodir=%{_infodir} --mandir=%{_mandir} \\\
 	--with-bugurl=http://bugs.opensuse.org/ \\\
 	--with-pkgversion="GNU Binutils; %{DIST}" \\\
 	--with-separate-debug-dir=%{_prefix}/lib/debug \\\
-	--with-pic --build=%{HOST} --enable-deterministic-archives
+	--with-pic --build=%{HOST}
 mkdir build-dir
 cd build-dir
 ../configure %common_flags \
diff --git a/cross-s390x-binutils.changes b/cross-s390x-binutils.changes
index 7753331..6cd3e3c 100644
--- a/cross-s390x-binutils.changes
+++ b/cross-s390x-binutils.changes
@@ -1,3 +1,9 @@
+-------------------------------------------------------------------
+Fri Feb 21 16:59:02 UTC 2014 - matz@suse.de
+
+- Disable --enable-deterministic-archives again, as it breaks 
+  valid Makefiles.
+
 -------------------------------------------------------------------
 Mon Feb 10 23:07:23 UTC 2014 - subchaser1@gmail.com
 
diff --git a/cross-s390x-binutils.spec b/cross-s390x-binutils.spec
index a10308f..cf8b714 100644
--- a/cross-s390x-binutils.spec
+++ b/cross-s390x-binutils.spec
@@ -217,13 +217,20 @@ EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,arm-suse-linux-gnueabi"
 EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,aarch64-suse-linux"
 %endif
 %endif
+# Normally we'd like to add --enable-deterministic-archives
+# here (which by default makes uid/mtime be zero for archive
+# members), to increase chances of getting a reproducable build
+# But this breaks Makefile rules when directly accessing archives:
+# rebuilding the same archive from unchanged .o files recreates
+# it, because timestamps in the .a are 0, unequal to the actual timestamp
+# of the .o files :-/
 %define common_flags CFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" CXXFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" \\\
 	--prefix=%{_prefix} --libdir=%{_libdir} \\\
 	--infodir=%{_infodir} --mandir=%{_mandir} \\\
 	--with-bugurl=http://bugs.opensuse.org/ \\\
 	--with-pkgversion="GNU Binutils; %{DIST}" \\\
 	--with-separate-debug-dir=%{_prefix}/lib/debug \\\
-	--with-pic --build=%{HOST} --enable-deterministic-archives
+	--with-pic --build=%{HOST}
 mkdir build-dir
 cd build-dir
 ../configure %common_flags \
diff --git a/cross-sparc-binutils.changes b/cross-sparc-binutils.changes
index 7753331..6cd3e3c 100644
--- a/cross-sparc-binutils.changes
+++ b/cross-sparc-binutils.changes
@@ -1,3 +1,9 @@
+-------------------------------------------------------------------
+Fri Feb 21 16:59:02 UTC 2014 - matz@suse.de
+
+- Disable --enable-deterministic-archives again, as it breaks 
+  valid Makefiles.
+
 -------------------------------------------------------------------
 Mon Feb 10 23:07:23 UTC 2014 - subchaser1@gmail.com
 
diff --git a/cross-sparc-binutils.spec b/cross-sparc-binutils.spec
index 6fa64c8..6a98bf2 100644
--- a/cross-sparc-binutils.spec
+++ b/cross-sparc-binutils.spec
@@ -217,13 +217,20 @@ EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,arm-suse-linux-gnueabi"
 EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,aarch64-suse-linux"
 %endif
 %endif
+# Normally we'd like to add --enable-deterministic-archives
+# here (which by default makes uid/mtime be zero for archive
+# members), to increase chances of getting a reproducable build
+# But this breaks Makefile rules when directly accessing archives:
+# rebuilding the same archive from unchanged .o files recreates
+# it, because timestamps in the .a are 0, unequal to the actual timestamp
+# of the .o files :-/
 %define common_flags CFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" CXXFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" \\\
 	--prefix=%{_prefix} --libdir=%{_libdir} \\\
 	--infodir=%{_infodir} --mandir=%{_mandir} \\\
 	--with-bugurl=http://bugs.opensuse.org/ \\\
 	--with-pkgversion="GNU Binutils; %{DIST}" \\\
 	--with-separate-debug-dir=%{_prefix}/lib/debug \\\
-	--with-pic --build=%{HOST} --enable-deterministic-archives
+	--with-pic --build=%{HOST}
 mkdir build-dir
 cd build-dir
 ../configure %common_flags \
diff --git a/cross-sparc64-binutils.changes b/cross-sparc64-binutils.changes
index 7753331..6cd3e3c 100644
--- a/cross-sparc64-binutils.changes
+++ b/cross-sparc64-binutils.changes
@@ -1,3 +1,9 @@
+-------------------------------------------------------------------
+Fri Feb 21 16:59:02 UTC 2014 - matz@suse.de
+
+- Disable --enable-deterministic-archives again, as it breaks 
+  valid Makefiles.
+
 -------------------------------------------------------------------
 Mon Feb 10 23:07:23 UTC 2014 - subchaser1@gmail.com
 
diff --git a/cross-sparc64-binutils.spec b/cross-sparc64-binutils.spec
index 1614e2c..f63e39b 100644
--- a/cross-sparc64-binutils.spec
+++ b/cross-sparc64-binutils.spec
@@ -217,13 +217,20 @@ EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,arm-suse-linux-gnueabi"
 EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,aarch64-suse-linux"
 %endif
 %endif
+# Normally we'd like to add --enable-deterministic-archives
+# here (which by default makes uid/mtime be zero for archive
+# members), to increase chances of getting a reproducable build
+# But this breaks Makefile rules when directly accessing archives:
+# rebuilding the same archive from unchanged .o files recreates
+# it, because timestamps in the .a are 0, unequal to the actual timestamp
+# of the .o files :-/
 %define common_flags CFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" CXXFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" \\\
 	--prefix=%{_prefix} --libdir=%{_libdir} \\\
 	--infodir=%{_infodir} --mandir=%{_mandir} \\\
 	--with-bugurl=http://bugs.opensuse.org/ \\\
 	--with-pkgversion="GNU Binutils; %{DIST}" \\\
 	--with-separate-debug-dir=%{_prefix}/lib/debug \\\
-	--with-pic --build=%{HOST} --enable-deterministic-archives
+	--with-pic --build=%{HOST}
 mkdir build-dir
 cd build-dir
 ../configure %common_flags \
diff --git a/cross-spu-binutils.changes b/cross-spu-binutils.changes
index 7753331..6cd3e3c 100644
--- a/cross-spu-binutils.changes
+++ b/cross-spu-binutils.changes
@@ -1,3 +1,9 @@
+-------------------------------------------------------------------
+Fri Feb 21 16:59:02 UTC 2014 - matz@suse.de
+
+- Disable --enable-deterministic-archives again, as it breaks 
+  valid Makefiles.
+
 -------------------------------------------------------------------
 Mon Feb 10 23:07:23 UTC 2014 - subchaser1@gmail.com
 
diff --git a/cross-spu-binutils.spec b/cross-spu-binutils.spec
index 16830f3..8f6fad4 100644
--- a/cross-spu-binutils.spec
+++ b/cross-spu-binutils.spec
@@ -217,13 +217,20 @@ EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,arm-suse-linux-gnueabi"
 EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,aarch64-suse-linux"
 %endif
 %endif
+# Normally we'd like to add --enable-deterministic-archives
+# here (which by default makes uid/mtime be zero for archive
+# members), to increase chances of getting a reproducable build
+# But this breaks Makefile rules when directly accessing archives:
+# rebuilding the same archive from unchanged .o files recreates
+# it, because timestamps in the .a are 0, unequal to the actual timestamp
+# of the .o files :-/
 %define common_flags CFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" CXXFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" \\\
 	--prefix=%{_prefix} --libdir=%{_libdir} \\\
 	--infodir=%{_infodir} --mandir=%{_mandir} \\\
 	--with-bugurl=http://bugs.opensuse.org/ \\\
 	--with-pkgversion="GNU Binutils; %{DIST}" \\\
 	--with-separate-debug-dir=%{_prefix}/lib/debug \\\
-	--with-pic --build=%{HOST} --enable-deterministic-archives
+	--with-pic --build=%{HOST}
 mkdir build-dir
 cd build-dir
 ../configure %common_flags \
diff --git a/cross-x86_64-binutils.changes b/cross-x86_64-binutils.changes
index 7753331..6cd3e3c 100644
--- a/cross-x86_64-binutils.changes
+++ b/cross-x86_64-binutils.changes
@@ -1,3 +1,9 @@
+-------------------------------------------------------------------
+Fri Feb 21 16:59:02 UTC 2014 - matz@suse.de
+
+- Disable --enable-deterministic-archives again, as it breaks 
+  valid Makefiles.
+
 -------------------------------------------------------------------
 Mon Feb 10 23:07:23 UTC 2014 - subchaser1@gmail.com
 
diff --git a/cross-x86_64-binutils.spec b/cross-x86_64-binutils.spec
index 6008e30..54dc1d6 100644
--- a/cross-x86_64-binutils.spec
+++ b/cross-x86_64-binutils.spec
@@ -217,13 +217,20 @@ EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,arm-suse-linux-gnueabi"
 EXTRA_TARGETS="$EXTRA_TARGETS,aarch64-suse-linux"
 %endif
 %endif
+# Normally we'd like to add --enable-deterministic-archives
+# here (which by default makes uid/mtime be zero for archive
+# members), to increase chances of getting a reproducable build
+# But this breaks Makefile rules when directly accessing archives:
+# rebuilding the same archive from unchanged .o files recreates
+# it, because timestamps in the .a are 0, unequal to the actual timestamp
+# of the .o files :-/
 %define common_flags CFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" CXXFLAGS="${RPM_OPT_FLAGS}" \\\
 	--prefix=%{_prefix} --libdir=%{_libdir} \\\
 	--infodir=%{_infodir} --mandir=%{_mandir} \\\
 	--with-bugurl=http://bugs.opensuse.org/ \\\
 	--with-pkgversion="GNU Binutils; %{DIST}" \\\
 	--with-separate-debug-dir=%{_prefix}/lib/debug \\\
-	--with-pic --build=%{HOST} --enable-deterministic-archives
+	--with-pic --build=%{HOST}
 mkdir build-dir
 cd build-dir
 ../configure %common_flags \